A Catholic reflection of the Church’s Teaching on salvation
by Patrick Miron
Good morning my friend,
I’ll get right to your questions before the day’s detractions get to me.
Allow me to first address the easier comments before getting into the “heart of the matter.”
[QUOTE] I have a question. My wife is a Pentecostal. We’ve been married almost 24 years, and have three grown boys. She is a loving and faithful wife. She also prays a lot and is very involved in her church. I understand that she is greatly deluded about many things. She even watches some of these TV preachers, which are some of the biggest con men around, who are FAR removed from either holiness or truth. But my wife is not like those preachers, it is only that she can’t discern truth from error or hypocrisy from sincerity.[/QUOTE]
What your sharing is GOOD NEWS [but in a limited and conditional manner]. God who can be accurately describes as “All Good things [and only Good things] Perfected” gives us a critical key to man’s limited understanding.
Isaiah 55: 6-10 “Seek ye the Lord, while he may be found: call upon him, while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unjust man his thoughts, and let him return to the Lord, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God: for he is bountiful to forgive. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts. And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:”
I love this passage, which like an onion has many layers of thoughtful teachings for our benefit. 1. Clearly ALL are to “seek the Lord.” This we are to do, while “we can.“ There is a Theological meaning here that this means “as God grants and OR permits.” While there is factually only One “right and full way to one salvation”; there are nevertheless other way’s too because of God‘s unphathomable Mercy. 2. Our ability to think things out, to know right from wrong, and then freely choose which we will follow, is what sets humanity apart from every other living thing, and makes man alone able to Know of God, and then to actually enter into a relationship with God. It is also the foundational reason God alone can and will pass Judgment upon each of us individually. Not all of the many things and factors that come into “play” in God’s Judgment are made evident or fully understood by us. Nor did God intend that there would be such, precisely to make clear that He ALONE can and will judge.
Matthew 12:30 “He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattered” This passage, and teaching is a good example of our lack of evident understanding. We naturally tend to be very “black and white” in our thinking: right being right; and wrong always being wrong. God alone can and does add His grey areas.
Even what we can [at least those God permits too] understand is incomplete and opens its own set of questions for us. [emphasis not shouting here]… GOD WILL, BECAUSE IN AN ABSOLUTE SENSE, God MUST pass Judgment upon each of us based not on what we choose to believe; RATHER on what HE MAKES POSSIBLE FOR US TO KNOW, and then commands our belief. But only God truly knows what exactly this is, and to what degree He MAKES POSSIBLE His truths to be known, and rightly and fully understood.
A few years ago, while visiting my sister [in Michigan, I’m in Florida] who was Baptized and “raised Catholic” by example,” but nevertheless was not actually instructed in the Catholic faith, who upon reaching the age of independence left the faith and became a very devout and religious Baptist. Truly in love with her idea of God and what she accepts [and was taught in error], was Gods only method and demands for salvation. She owes “by Faith Alone and OSAS” and holds them as God’s own biblical truth.
Anyway she asked me “if I was saved?” I replied that “I was both saved and in the process of being saved”. She said “that was NOT possible. Either you are , or your not.” So I asked her: Sis, “how are your sins forgiven?” She said “through Christ atonement.” [which means as you know; “Christ does IT ALL.” All one must do Is “know Jesus,” and that simple “faith proclamation” by itself is sufficient for one‘s salvation. So I asked her if she had a bible in the car. She has an abridged NT bible. So I opened it to
John 20: and read verses 16-23 to her FROM HER OWN BIBLE. “[16] Jesus saith to her: Mary. She turning, saith to him: Rabboni (which is to say, Master). [17] Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, [Apostles] and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God. [18] Mary Magdalen cometh, and telleth the disciples: I have seen the Lord, and these things he said to me. [19] Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples [Apostles] were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. [20] And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord. [21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [MEANS: With My Godly Powers and Authority; which I explained to sis] [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” [And Jesus herein Instituted the Sacrament of Confession]… So then I asked what does this mean? Her reply was “I DON’T KNOW; BUT IT DOESN’T MEAN WHAT IT SAYS!” AND I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ANYMORE.” So I closed her bible with an “OK, but its YOUR BIBLE“, and said a silent prayer for her.
So my friend, I am truly able to understand your situation.
[QUOTE]Because of my wife’s upbringing (her father was a preacher), she is very opposed to Roman Catholicism. Even though she greatly dislikes it, she prepares my clothes for Sunday Mass and is loving and not hard to be around, except on rare occasions. For the most part, we give each other leeway and do not argue over these things. In fact, as the years go by, we are each becoming more tolerant and growing closer and our mutual affection increases. Over the years, she’s been more devout than I. But on the other hand, God kept leading me to the Truth, whereas she has never examined herself or her beliefs. Whereas she grew up going to church services, I grew up an atheist, and God had to teach me the ABCs of everything (which I’m still learning).[/QUOTE]
One of my personal favorite truly Catholic authors is the late Archbishop of NY; Fulton Sheen. He is quoted as saying something like this: cf. “Not One person in the world hates Catholicism, but more than we know HATE WHAT THEY THINK THEY KNOW ABOUT CATHOLICS.” … My Ministry and personal experience bear out the wisdom and complete truth this comment shares. And again, I do understand and appreciate your situation.
At the end of this reply, I’ll OFFER a few tips that GOD WILLING, MAY???? Open a dialog for you.
My friend, its important to keep in mind that SALVATION is God’s exclusive turf. Conversions too are His alone. Not that we don’t have, or not given essential roles to “play.” But we are not a part of the results committee, unless God assigns us that additional role.
God IS, “in charge“. even when we are unaware of it; and even when we don’t want Him to be. Our FAITH is always being challenged by Satan and tested by God.
God is constantly “testing the waters of faith.” He makes “SUFFICIENT GRACE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE THAT THEY CAN KNOW HIM SUFFICIENTLY TO MERIT THEIR OWN SALVATION.” Each time one accepts a Grace; MORE Grace is added to the offer. Eventually one attains your position of willing Understanding because of accepted Grace and humility.
[QUOTE]Question: what is the Catholic teaching on salvation for those outside the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church? I’ve heard both that it’s entirely impossible, and that under some circumstances it is possible, because God can still save THROUGH the Church some who, through ignorance or some other incapacity, do not come to a full knowledge of it. I am fully prepared to accept, believe, and embrace the Truth as taught by Holy Mother Church. I’m not just not clear what the teaching is on this subject.
If it is true that, to be saved, one must be in full communion with the Church, it is something I need to be clear on. It would seem that, even if there are exceptions, one can’t count on it, and it is a risky proposition at best. However it is, I am praying for my wife (and my children) to become Catholics. You are helping me greatly in understanding they can’t be approached with an iron club, but wisdom, gentleness, and patience are required; and, ultimately, God draws whom He will draw
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So lets first look at the Official Church Teaching on this critical issue and then discuss its meaning and application in our lives. FROM THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
780 “The Church in this world is the sacrament of salvation, the sign and the [singular] instrument of the communion of God and men”
846 “How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”
847 “This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation”
What we can know absolutely and with certitude is THAT ALL SALVATIONS MUST, AND CERTAINLY DOES, “FLOW THROUGH THE Catholic Church”. WHY? & How?
WHY?
[And this is a point to keep uppermost in your mind]
1. God is One: All Christian faiths hold to this single God truth.
Judith 5:9 “They worshipped one God of heaven, who also commanded them to depart from thence, and to dwell in Charan. Leviticus 25:17 “Do not afflict your countrymen, but let every one fear his God: because I am the Lord your God.”
Mark 12:29 “And Jesus answered him: The first commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord thy God is one God.”
2. Logically, Morally and Theologically, “One God” can [and does] have only One set of Faith beliefs. It is impossible for God to hold more than one true understanding per long defined issues. And even more, positions opposed to God’s Perfect Will that so many of these positions are contradictory within themselves and actually contradict God’s own Biblical teachings is incomprehensible. Examples include: One Church & Faith, the Sacraments; the Eucharist /Real Presence and Confession for example, and the Primacy of Peter, and God’s articulated actual Salvation requirements].
2nd. Tim. 3:16-17 “All scripture, [is] inspired of God, [and] is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.”
Matthew 4:4 “Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God”
Acts 20: 28-30 “Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, [singular] which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Douay Rheims Bible
John 10:16 “And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd”
Eph. 2: 20-23 “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone
: In whom all the building, [singular] being framed together, groweth up into an holy temple in the Lord. [singular] In whom you also are built together into an habitation of God in the Spirit.”
Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body [means just One Church] and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, [MEANS ONLY ONE SET OF TRUE BELIEFS] one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.”
Eph.3: 9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church [SINGULAR: meaning THE CATHOLIC Church] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him”
2nd. Peter 3: 14 -17 “Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability”
2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts . First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
John 5: 37 “And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness to me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen; and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent. You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me; yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life [Speaking of accepting the entire WORD of GOD].I do not receive glory from men .[Meaning disobedience is rampant!] But I know that you have not the love of God within you. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me” [Obey Me!]
2 Cor. 4: 2 “We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.”
Matthew 13: 11-15 “Who answered and said to them: Because to you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven: but to them it is not given. For he that hath, to him shall be given, and he shall abound: but he that hath not, from him shall be taken away that also which he hath. Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And the prophecy of Isaias is fulfilled in them, who saith: By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand: and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive. For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears they have been dull of hearing, and their eyes they have shut: lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”
So as is evident Gregory its not a lack of evidence; or a lack of a singular truth; it is God’s Justice being melted out. Certainly God did not wait for Henry the VIII, Luther, Calvin or Smith to make His one true faith known.
3. Is the issue of ONLY one true Church [and chosen people]
Matthew 16:15-19 “Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I [your Good and Perfect unerring God] say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon [YOU Peter] this rock I will build my church, [Notably singular tense] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee [directly & exclusively] [all of ] the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven”
It is fact that every single reference to “church” is a direct and exclusive reference to today’s Catholic Church[s].
Can this be proven biblically? YES!
No other “church” would even exist until the Great Eastern Schism of 1010 AD. No non-catholic church [of any note] would exist until hundreds of years after this date.
Jesus Himself first used the term “church” in
Mt. 16: 15-19 above to indicate that He God, was instituting a “One-New -Faith“, a new mandatory set of beliefs and conditions, with a new hierarchy of authority that He Himself would guide and protect. [John 17:14-20]
This was done to make clear God’s singular intent:
Pagans would have there Temples [and many personal gods]
Jews Their Synagogues and now overridden Old testament covenants; lacking God’s approval and grace
And “The Way”; Christians: now termed [Catholics as of 110 AD] would alone have His One and only Founded Church and exclusively the Fullness of His truths and Faith.
The How?
My friend, because all Christians believe in One God; those who accept Christian baptism as essential for salvation
[John 3:5; Mt. 28:18-19], are indeed grafted into the Tree of Life. Even though they neither know, desire or acknowledge it; IF salvation is granted to them; it is always because of Gods Mercy and through His Catholic Church. Those [self-professed “christian” faiths that do not hold this truth are really in need of our prayers and sacrifices.
What we cannot with certainty know is who Is and who IS NOT meeting God’s criteria outside of the embrace of His Catholic Church. We can judge ones actions; but not their motives. We may be able to “read their hearts” but not their minds. We can NEVER know how much grace is offered to them beyond the essential minimums; or what they accept or reject, or how they choose to apply it. So in the end; the matter must rest with God’s Love and Mercy.
What God makes POSSIBLE for them to know, is the critical issue.
And we mortal men cannot know or judge that. I can share, that those that do attain salvation outside the embrace of the CC will be judged VERY HEAVELY on their charity.
So what Grace Gods determines to offer and what opportunities He makes possible for others to gain His Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding are the unknown issues; but the issues that will determine their degree of culpability effecting God’s Judgment is always the degree of cooperation with His OFFERED Grace. Nothing is accidental Gregory. God has placed you in this position for His Will to be done. So learn well our Catholic Faith. Live it as publicly as you can; share it whenever God gives you the opportunity and defend with clarity [facts] and ALWAYS with charity. Leaving God in charge of the results.
PRAY MUCH and spend time regularly in front of the Blessed Sacrament. Even if its just a few minutes.
Place your family under Mary and Saint Joseph intercession and protection, and pray THROUGH them for their conversion. Be patient. God’s in charge.
I do suggest along with your prayers and personal example that you be mindful of “faith sharing opportunities”
These are SUGGESTIONS ONLY:
If the opportunity should come up:
Why do Catholics attend Mass weekly as mandated; while Protestant worship services seem much more optional?
AFTER ALL IT’S A COMMANDMENT [THE 3TD] KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY.
How many Gods do Christian belief in? {one}
SO IF WE BELIEVE IN ONLY ONE GOD HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO HOLD MORE THAN ONLY ONE SET OF FAITH BELIEFS? {he doesn’t he only has one ‘ours’}… So God waited about 1,500 years after he died and Ascended to make His one possible set of faith beliefs known?
Have you ever head about the One INFALLIBLE RULE for right understanding of the bible? Here it is:
“never, ever, can may or DOES one verse, passage or teaching
OVERRIDE
Invalidate
Or make void
Another Verse, passage or teaching.
WHERE THIS EVEN THE SLIGHEST POSSIBILITY [ITS NOT] THE BIBLE WOULD BE WORTHLESS TO TEACH OR LEARN ONES FAITH.
So who them CAN interpret correctly and FULLY the bible? FYI:
2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts
. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
Mt. 10: 1-8 “And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.**But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give”
**This was expanded to the entire world in Mt. 28:19-20 below. And it proves that God Himself instituted papal succession; made necessary to accommodate and complete this changed mandate by Christ.
Mt. 28:16-20 “And the eleven [remaining] disciples [Apostles] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [And I now pass it on to you!] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
John 17:14-23 “I have given them thy word, [I have instructed them what they ARE to Teach] and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world; as I also am not of the world. I [God] pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil. [This warranty apples to ALL teaching on Faith matters that must be believed and ALL Moral teachings ONLY] Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [God CANNOT deny Himself /His own request] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [This means literally with God’s OWN Powers and Authority in HIS NAME][19] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [here Jesus Christ gives HIMSELF as Personal warranty of these teaching truth with NO POSSIBILITY of error!…no other faith group can make this claim in truth exceot today‘s CC] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, as we also are one: I in them, and thou in me; that they may be made perfect in one: and the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me.”
So my friend; we can pray, give good example, but not with any certainty KNOW that without being IN the Only Church and part of the Only set of Faith beliefs fully acceptable to our God, found only in today’s Catholic church[s], that salvation is highly probable if we know and obey all that is asked of us. This due is very great part to the Seven Sacraments all Instituted by Christ.
[QUOTE]I look forward to your answer, and/or pointing me to a good article on the subject.
God bless you!
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You and your family are in my daily thoughts and prayers. Please keep asking questions. It is my prayer that this provides the information your seeking? If Not, please let me know.
God Bless you my friend,
Patrick
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IF your hanging your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution—GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”.
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IF your hanging your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution. THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver
Posted on July 31, 2013
IF your hanging your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution.
THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver
GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”
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butbob;10499059]with all the different protestant churches it is difficult to find the ones where people and the pastor are actually filled and led by the Holy Spirit– that is the game changer–
all thou the Assembly of God church has the doctrinal belief speaking in tongues is the 1st evidence of the Holy Spirit–
even in the catholic churxch it is hard to find
Q5 . If you are Born of God, [Baptized?] ARE you a Child of God? John 1:12; Rom. 8:16.
John 1:12 “But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name”
Once again we have a different version of “by Faith Alone.” A very believable and powerful message when taken out of context. They trend to the first teaching but at times ignore that it is clearly a “conditional offer.” Then even if they accept that its “conditional,” they claim an unwarranted right to define for themselves what the conditions are. Not permitting God to “be in charge”; and therefore they commonly miss the actual teaching God requires. This is a great example of US needing to know what is true; and how to prove it.
Rom. 8:16 “For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.” Keep in mind the question being asked: cf. “DO YOU have the Spirit of God living in you?” … I’d bet nearly 100%claim that they do?
Response: But even if they do, how do they know for sure? My guess is that the answer has something to do with “Speaking in Tongues” which they commonly hold as the “end-all” of all Spiritual Gifts. So are they saying that “if one does not have the Gift of tongues”; the HS is NOT with them? Yes, I think that is often their point; and it’s wrong! That is NOT what Paul actually teaches:
1Cor.12 Verses 26 to 31”If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various [LAST Listed] kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? [NO is implied] Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.” AND 1st.Cor. 14: Verses 5, 13 “Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified. Therefore, he who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.”
Speaking in tongues is a good thing; made far better when they or someone else can interpret it “for the benefit of the church.”( the people)
I know only a few catholics who are so Blessed.
This stems from the fact that it is not a Gift we ask for from the HS, enough.
We certainly do NOT wish to claim that The Holy Spirit is NOT In some manner available to our Protestant brethren
. He may well be with them is some manner? BUT not in the fullness that He is within the Catholic Church and our Sacraments, and especially in it’s Informed and fully practicing members. READ: Bob my friend,
IF your haning your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution.
THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver
GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”
READ Jn. 14: 16-17 [filled in John 20;21-22]
The Holy Spirit is Promised ONLY by Christ to His Apostles and the CC that through direct Succession [Mk. 16:14-17 & Mt. 28:18-20] with the MISSION now expanded to the Entire WORLD, which makes it an absolute necessity.
Further evidence is Found in John 17:15-19 Where Jesus gives HIMSELF personally [and exclusively] to the same Apostles an todays CC.
Keep in mind that the ONLY Church for nearly ONE THOUSAND YEARS AFTER CHRIST RESSURESCTION was and is; todays CC. [And yes I can prove it biblically and historically]. Certainly our Perfect God did not wait for Protrestants to introduce His SINGULAR truth.
God Bles you,
pat/PJM
how to speak in tongues– but KEEP YOUR HAT ON
Joseph Prince – Tongues — The Key To A Spirit-Led Life –
Published on Jun 7, 2012
Want to live stronger, healthier and wiser?
Well, you can! In this anointed message,
Joseph Prince shows you how you can live just such a victorious life, at peace with God and yourself. The key is the tremendous God-given gift of tongues.
Through it, you allow the Holy Spirit to move more powerfully in your life, equipping and enabling you, helping you discern even between life and death.
So listen and lock onto this incredible gift today.
You will see your powerful Helper assist you in praying perfect prayers, and the wonderful works of God — constant wholeness, wisdom and perfect peace — manifest in your life!