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How successful were you at discipleship of your family?

A close friend of mine raised catholic. Was not able to deciple her 4 children to be catholic.
How successful were you at family discipleship ?

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Nap66

Not very. I always wanted my ex-husband to become Catholic. I just found out last night that he doesn’t even believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I always thought he did since he was raised Baptist. I guess we should have gotten married in the Catholic Church and I would have found that out alot sooner (unless he would have lied in pre-marriage counseling and many people do).

People just aren’t interested in religion anymore. I don’t know how you get through life without it.

dconklin

I think I am rather successful. However, the odds are in my favor. I am the father of two, husband of one and the Asst DRE at a large parish. My oldest is a Junior in college. She is on the leadership team (Treasurer) of her university’s Newman Catholic Student Center, she coordinates one of the areas of our vacation bible school, serves as a catechist and helps run our preschool’s summer camps. My son is a high school junior. He is not as involved, but one of his best classes was Intro to the Old Testament – in a public high school. My wife was on our parish’s pastoral council and served a year as president.

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Greenfields

Have you family BB? How successful were you at discipleship of your family may I ask if you do?
For me it’s a long term thing ,time will tell

DeniseNY

butbob1:

How successful were you at discipleship of your family?

A close friend of mine raised catholic. Was not able to deciple her 4 children to be catholic.

How successful were you at family discipleship ?

It’s odd how many times I’ve seen disciple spelled “deciple”

Can you tell if someone is a deciple of Jesus by their behavior? Non-Catholic Religions

Can you tell if someone is a deciple of Jesus by their behavior? And what behavior would you recognize?

How do Protestant denominations justify themselves as the True Church? Apologetics

Well I would suggest reading the applied deciple ship that saint Paul taught in 1cor.2. Or in 1 cor.14:25-26. All of the teachings required the Holy Spirit And signs and wonders following. Mark 16:16-20. Every denomination has a reason why they are … The denomination for you. And sometimes they are right

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BoomBoomMancini

Almost as though they’re the same person.

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Hereiam

Sometimes its not meant to be…See Matthew 10 and Luke 12

how successful were you at family discipleship

butbob1

How successful were you at discipleship of your family?

A close friend of mine raised catholic. Was not able to deciple her 4 children to be catholic.
How successful were you at family discipleship ?

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Nap66

Not very. I always wanted my ex-husband to become Catholic. I just found out last night that he doesn’t even believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I always thought he did since he was raised Baptist. I guess we should have gotten married in the Catholic Church and I would have found that out alot sooner (unless he would have lied in pre-marriage counseling and many people do).

People just aren’t interested in religion anymore. I don’t know how you get through life without it.

dconklin

I think I am rather successful. However, the odds are in my favor. I am the father of two, husband of one and the Asst DRE at a large parish. My oldest is a Junior in college. She is on the leadership team (Treasurer) of her university’s Newman Catholic Student Center, she coordinates one of the areas of our vacation bible school, serves as a catechist and helps run our preschool’s summer camps. My son is a high school junior. He is not as involved, but one of his best classes was Intro to the Old Testament – in a public high school. My wife was on our parish’s pastoral council and served a year as president.

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Greenfields

Have you family BB? How successful were you at discipleship of your family may I ask if you do?
For me it’s a long term thing ,time will tell

DeniseNY

butbob1:

How successful were you at discipleship of your family?

A close friend of mine raised catholic. Was not able to deciple her 4 children to be catholic.

How successful were you at family discipleship ?

It’s odd how many times I’ve seen disciple spelled “deciple”

Can you tell if someone is a deciple of Jesus by their behavior? Non-Catholic Religions

Can you tell if someone is a deciple of Jesus by their behavior? And what behavior would you recognize?

How do Protestant denominations justify themselves as the True Church? Apologetics

Well I would suggest reading the applied deciple ship that saint Paul taught in 1cor.2. Or in 1 cor.14:25-26. All of the teachings required the Holy Spirit And signs and wonders following. Mark 16:16-20. Every denomination has a reason why they are … The denomination for you. And sometimes they are right

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BoomBoomMancini

Almost as though they’re the same person.

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Hereiam

Sometimes its not meant to be…See Matthew 10 and Luke 12

what happens when you are dead??

Do souls “arrive” into Heaven?

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NJada

This is a question whose answer is probably above my head, but I’ve been wondering about this, and I’m not sure what to search for to find an answer.

So at death the body and soul are separated, and when a soul is judged to go to Heaven, they are there with God awaiting the reunification with their bodies. And so after the general Resurrection, those resurrected to eternal life will sort of simultaneously be in the New Heaven and the New Earth, right?

So my question is: If Heaven is in eternity, outside of the temporal world, apart from space or time, can it be said that a soul arrived there? As in, the soul was not there is Heaven in eternity at one point, and then later on the soul got there? How could that be, if there is no time?

I wouldn’t want to hold anything heretical like the preexistence of souls or radical predestination, but it kind of seems like that would mean that those souls that are “now” in Heaven would have to have always been there, and that whoever of us will be in Heaven are already there in eternity–maybe having something to do with that mysterious “Book of Life”. I assume there is a better answer, but I’m wondering what it is.

Does anyone know how this works out? Or is my question based on any misconceptions?

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Kei

Our stay in Heaven is everlasting in that it never ends once we get there, and we have always lasting life. Not as in we were always there.

Think of the numbers that exist. Start at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5… and it can go on forever. However, it starts at 1. As opposed to counting all the negative numbers etc

NJada

That would make sense to me if our afterlife took place only in the temporal world, where we live everlastingly in a temporal sense, beginning at some particular time and going on forever, since we will be in a New Earth as well as a New Heaven.

CCC 997:
In death, the separation of the soul from the body, the human body decays and the soul goes to meet God, while awaiting its reunion with its glorified body. God, in his almighty power, will definitively grant incorruptible life to our bodies by reuniting them with our souls, through the power of Jesus’ Resurrection.

So what about this intermediate period, when the soul is with God in Heaven without a body, until the Resurrection? Is time and space also a part of Heaven?–and if not, then how is a soul said to begin to be there? I would have thought that a creature could only be subject to time and space if they have a corporeal body, which we will have again at the general Resurrection.

Kei

We after death do not have a body, until the Last Judgement, when our bodies and souls are met again.

Sort of like angels, we can be without physical bodies and still be in a place. On whether heaven has space or time, that’s getting into some territory some may want to avoid. We have a very old idea of the Empyrean heaven, etc., but some want to say it is like a state.

In my humble lay opinion, I find it much easier to think of Heaven as a place.

PJM

I tried and failed many time to COPY the OP post.

His topic is interesting; but his positions seem unclear to me.

Here is what happens at death
The human Soul which is exclusively eternal and rational is immediately separated from the body and faces the IMMEDIATE Judgment.

Souls with unremitted; unforgiven {John 20:19-23; 1 Jn 5:16-17} Mortal sin are self-condemned to eternal Hell

Souls with no Mortal sins; but venial sins or the Temporal Punishment ALL sins accrue have a DEBT to be repaid before they can access heaven as only PERFECT Souls are admitted; so these Souls go to Purgatory to repay this debt; BUT are assured of eventually attaining Heaven

Souls that are literally “perfect” upon death ascend directly into the Beatific Vision.

Souls DUE heaven have been there sense there death and after the Resurrection for eternity to come

I hope this clarifies the issue

Easter Peace,
Patrick

Hereiam

Depends if you beleve Heaven is a physical place…my own thoughts are that its a state, where the beatific vision is realized, and not a place…i see the New Jerusalem and the mansion with many rooms, and other biblical descriptions as metaphors for this stste, because they are frames of reference that we can wrap our heads around.

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NJada

Yes, but I’m still not clear whether or not there can be change in Heaven.

I tend to think (though I’m happy to be corrected) that Heaven is neither a physical place nor simply a state of mind–it doesn’t seem like either of those describe it, not that I would know how to describe Heaven haha. Of course I do believe we will live in a place, after the general Resurrection, being both in Heaven and on earth. But if we can be said to be in a “place” in that between stage, I don’t see how that place would be subject to space and time, if it is the very same abode as the angels.

As this priest says in this lecture (the segment beginning at 19:30):
“St. Thomas would say that angels are said to be in a place insofar as their power is being acted upon at a place. . . . ‘Place’ is something that is more proper to the material world.”

Episode 1: The Nature of Angels

Isn’t that why the angels had one chance only to choose either obey and love God or not, to make that one freewill decision?–and now their wills are forever fixated on whichever they chose?–whereas for us, we can change our will, because we have bodies?

One of the things that caused me to bring this up, is because it seems like a reasonable explanation as to why you can’t change your mind after death, why you can’t escape Hell or fall from Heaven: because once you are separated from your body, the will you had at death is the will you have at your judgment. And so a person in a state of mortal sin would not be able to endure His presence, nor desire to repent, but would prefer Hell. And a person in a state of grace, even if they aren’t perfect, will be willing to endure whatever suffering they have to endure in Purgatory to be with God.

Since our resurrected bodies will be incorruptible (as in the Catechism and 1 Cor 15), it would seem that the bodies of the blessed will be able to go about choosing different good things, but would never desire sin; whereas the damned would go about doing all the evils they are fixated on, but never can desire God.

Well, I’m sure I can go this life without knowing the answers, but if an answer comes along, it could be very useful.

NJada

Bump?

Or, perhaps I should ask, if a direct answer to this question would require that many others points be established as prerequisite, what might those prerequisites be, or what good writings would get into this?

Gorgias

Hereiam

Hereiam:

Depends if you beleve Heaven is a physical place…my own thoughts are that its a state, where the beatific vision is realized, and not a place…i see the New Jerusalem and the mansion with many rooms, and other biblical descriptions as metaphors for this stste, because they are frames of reference that we can wrap our heads around.

That seems a workable definition for the state of affairs prior to the eschaton. (There’s still the question of how Mary, assumed body and soul into heaven, fits into that kind of definition, though… right? )

However, at the eschaton, we will receive glorified bodies. And therefore, at that time, heaven will have a physical dimension. Perhaps, then, it means that, at that point and for all of eternity, all of creation will be ‘heaven’! (Of course, then we have to ask “what about hell? ‘Where’ will hell be?”

Hereiam

Gorgias:

However, at the eschaton, we will receive glorified bodies. And therefore, at that time, heaven will have a physical dimension.

Why? Perhaps, because of human understanding we feel the need for a physical dimension. Could there not be dimensions outside our understanding that accommodate both the physical body and the spirit?

I guess we’ll find out on that day!

Pax et bonum!